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Mary Hays’s Female Biography Quotes

Madame Roland:

P. 314 – Brings Dacier’s Plutarch to church instead of the bible

P. 323/4 quoted from the Memoirs – “To suspect that there are two sorts of reason; one for the closet, another for the world; a morality of principle, and a morality of practice; from the contradiction of which resulted many absurdities which did not escape my observation. In short it appeared to me, that persons of the gay world call everyone insane who is not affected with the common madness. Thus did materials for reflection gradually accumulate in my active brain.”

P. 324 middle – “while her sensibility, which powerfully contributed to develop her mind, gave to every object, and to every situation, a more striking and vivid hue.”

P. 326 from a larger section on doubting religion after learning history – “When an enthusiast begins to reason, emancipation is not far distant.”

P. 327/8 Roland renounces everything but philosophy

P. 329/330 Full description of Roland’s Moral Philosophies

P. 331 from the Memoir — “Philosophy, in calling forth the powers of my soul and giving firmness to my mind, did not diminish the scruples of sentiment or the susceptibility of my imagination…”

P. 336 – “Happily placed out of the vortex of dissipation ans at a distance from temptation, with her mind busily employed, her principles took deep root and her virtue acquired habitual firmness.”

P. 336/7 Roland says NO marriage offers by wealthy suitors. She argues with her father…

337 – “Tell me also, why in bringing me up, you taught me to think, and suffered me to contract habits of study. I know not what kind of a man I shall marry, I kow, only, it must be one who can share my sentiments and to whom I can communicate my thoughts.”

“I am no judge of the happiness of other people; but my own affections are not fixed upon riches. I conceive that the strictest union of hearts is necessary conjugal felicity; nor can I connect myself to a man that does not resemble me.”

Madame Dacier

P. 2 – As her mind strengthened, and acquired a wider range, she emancipated herself from the trammels of authority, and laid down plans of study, which she pursued with perseverance; she now read and thought for herself, and frequently, though with the utmost modesty and deference, presumed to differ, on subjects of literature and criticism from her respectable father.”

P. 20 – “Her virtue, her firmness, her benevolence, and her equanimity, had, during her life procured her still more respect and esteem that her eminent learning and talents.”

Livia Drusilla

P. 41 bottom – “To dignity of birth, brilliant talents and high cultivation of mind, Livia added the charm of beauty. Lively, penetrating, sagacious, subtle, she read with facility the characters of those who approached her and rendered them subservient to her purposes.”

Elizabeth R

P. 293 – “Next to her desire of personal admiration was her vanity of authorship.’

P. 294 – “No one of her counselors could tell her what she knew not, and when her council said all they could, she could find out a wise counsel beyond theirs…”

Pgs. 116, 139 – Notes her refusal to marry, contentions with Parliament.

Mary De Agreda
Wrote highly controversial Biography of the Virgin Mary.

P. 9 MH anecdotes an opinion on the history of Philosophy and Enlightenment – “While the philosopher regards with contempt this solemn trifling, let it not be forgotten, that to the subtilties of theological controversy the human mind owes much of its acuteness: in the wrangling and dissensions of the schools, a foundation was laid for that critical sagacity, discrimination, and research, to which we are indebted for the overthrow of authority in matters of speculation, and for the emancipation of our reasoning powers. BY the extravagance and vehemence of polemic combatants, the curious, whom they supllied with with arms, were led to philosophise respecting the origins of their disputes.”

Agrippina
The female Ceasar and example of the “bad” woman, yet no less illustrious.

Sister of Caligula (who corrupted her as a girl) mother of Nero

P. 14 – “The daughter, the sister, the niece, the wife, the mother of emperors her station, her misfortunes, her qualities, and her crimes, alike ore a character of greatness. Checked by no impediment in her career of ambition, absolute power, and magnanimous in defeat, we are compelled to mingle admiration with our abhorrence of her guilt, and a portion of respect with our detestation.”

P.20 – “A woman governed the empire, whose vices were subservient to her ambition, and who was great alike in talent and in guilt.”

Jane D’Albert
Queen of Navarre, “protectoress of the reformed religion”, despite the efforts of her husband.

P. 59 – “Jane became the protectoress of Calvinism, which her husband not merely renounced, but actually persecuted.”

P. 61 – “The foundation of the Reformation, it was said, was laid in Bearn, by means of a woman, a bishop, and a child.”

P. 64 Upon hearing of the death of her King, — “The queen, informed of this catastrophe, sought consolation in the offices of religion, and, on the following Christmas –day, made a public confession of her faith, At the same time, with heroic firmness, she fortified Bearn, and prepared against the approach of the Spaniards, who, it was reported, were plotting to surprise the city. Having established protestantism throughout her dominions, she abolished popery, seized the effects of the ecclesiastics, and applied them to the support of the ministers and schools. She had not only resisted, with constancy, the injurious treatment of her husband, on his apostacym but the solicitation of the queen regent of France, Catherine of Medicis, while she every-where afforded protection of the Huguenots.”

Her story continues as she goes to lengths to secure religious freedom to her protestant constituency. Finally, Charles IX and Catherine of Medicis massacre her people on the night of St. Bartholomew.

P. 73 – “On her death bed, she was exhorted by her [new] husband [King of Scotland] and his father to think of her salvation, and to be received into the bosom of the true church. To which she replied’ ‘As she had lived, so she was resolved to die.’ Inflexible in her principles, she had resisted alike importunity temptation and menace.”

Isabella Andreina
An Actress

P. 91 – “To these advantages she added a sensibility and judgment, which enabled her to conceive and express, with exquisite taste and propriety, the varieties of dramatic character.”

“She excelled in vocal and instrumental music, was conversant with the French and Spanish, nor was she acquainted with philosophy and the sciences. She was a votary of the muses, and cultivates poetry with ardour and success.”

P. 92 – “Isabella Andreina composed sonnets, madrigals, songs, eclogues, and a pastoral, entitled Myrtilla. Several of her letters were printed in Venice, 1610.”

Anne of Austria

P. 111 – “Anne of Austria appears to have been estimable for the goodness and kindness of her heart, rather than for extraordinary capacity; for the attractions of woman, rather that the virtues of the queen: a propensity to personal attachments, and an amiable and forgiving temper, were her distinguishing characteristics.

Anne of Beaujeu

P. 116 MH quotes another historian – “’Equal to her father in genius,’ says an historian of the French monarchy, [footnote: History of France from the Commencement of the Monarchy to the Revolution] speaking of the lady of Beaujeu, ‘but more uniform in her conduct, and more magnanimous in her disposition; her judgment was sound without any mixture of perfidious duplicity which debased the understanding of Lewis: though vindictive, not cruel; though tenacious of her dignity, neither violent nor imperious. Led aside by no inferior passions, she felt her capacity for administration, and sacrificed entirely to that object. Mistress of an eloquence and address the most refined, she knew how to retain her delegated authority.’”

Joan D’Arc

What is most fascinating about MH’s take on Joan is her insistence that Joan was not informed by God, that hers was a time of ignorance and un-enlightenment, and that as a result, much of the story is inaccurate due to mythologizing. This version is almost a demystifying of Joan D’Arc, perhaps in order to give her more authority over her actions.

P147 – “Joan, eagerly listening to the daily and varying tale, became interested in political affairs, and caught the spirit of the times: the misfortunes of the dauphin, and his gentle and amiable character, and the perils which threatened him, awakened in her heart a sentiment of loyal and generous attachment: she meditated on the means of his deliverance, and on the calamities of her bleeding country, till her imagination became inflamed, the delusions of which she mistook for an impulse from heaven. Visions floated in her disordered fancy; angelic forms appeared to hove before her sight; while supernatural voices, sounding in her ears, seemed to exhort her to expel the enemy, and to re-establish on the throne of France its native sovereign. The enthusiasm of her purpose, her hardy habits and fearless temper, joined to her inexperienced youth, led her to overlook the difficulties which opposed themselves to her enterprise, and to cherish that sanguine ardor, which so frequently ensures, while it presages, success.”

Lady Mary Armyne
A well-educated and pious catholic who converted to Protestantism later in life. Her biography is short but lists several acts of great charity including aid to the non conformist ministers ejected on the Day of St. Bartholomew.

P.178 – “Her conversation was animated and interesting, and her life exemplary. She possessed a devotional turn of mind, and was zealous in promoting the knowledge of those principles which she conceived to be true and important.”

Anne Askew

P.201 – “Though educated in the Roman-catholic religion, by which perusal of the Scriptures is withheld from the laity, Anne, from attending to the questions respecting the Reformation, at that time violently agitated, became curious to examine the record from which both parties affected to derive their faith, and to which they mutually appealed. In this pursuit, doubts suggested themselves to her mind, her adherence to her ancestors became daily weaker, till at length she adopted the principles of the reformers. Her presumption of making use of her own judgment, disgusted and incensed her husband, who, at the suggestion of the priests, drove her with ignominy from his house.”

P. 202 “The sex and age of the heretic aggravated, rather than softened, the malice of her adversaries, who could not pardon a woman the presumption of opposing arguments and reason to their assertions and dogmas.”

P.208 After the conclusion of Anne Askew’s terrible execution MH concludes with her own though on the right to private judgment – “Such are the triumphs and monuments of fanaticism; –triumphs and monuments which are peculiar to no sect: all who have attached important consequences to speculative theology, have, in proportion to the spirit of the times, and to the power allowed to them by civil governments, employed it for the extirpation or annoyance of those, who, doubting the propriety of a standard mind, have presumed to exercise their own judgments.”

Henrietta of Bourbon
After successfully leading an alliance of French and Spanish troops during the wars of the Fronde perhaps the most difficult feat of her life was the survival of a relationship with a very ungenerous and ungrateful lover, who, she ultimately kicked out of her abode. What is most interesting, both about Henrietta as well as MH’s bio of her, is the inclusion of a long passage of a Memoir she composed late in her life. Henrietta left a six volume memoir of her life and times.

P.232 – “Her portrait and character are drawn, in the fashion of the times, by her own pen, with apparent truth and modesty:– ‘I could wish,’ said she, ‘that I had been more indebted to nature and less to art: I am sensible that my defects are not few, and I purpose to speak of myself with a sincerity which, I trust, with my friends will in some degree palliate them. It would hurt me to be pitied, therefore I ask it not: raillery would be more agreeable to me, of which envy is often the source, and which is seldom used by or against persons of merit.”

She goes on to describe herself physically. Many things “not fine” but “far from bad” or well proportioned”. Then to her character, which is fascinating.

P. 235 – “My resolutions are suddenly taken and firmly kept. I feel so much indifference for some things in the world, so much contempt for others, and entertain so good an opinion of myself, that I would choose rather to pass the remainder of my life in solitude, than impose the least constraint upon my humour, however advantageous it might be to my fortune.”

P. 236 – “I am at all times self possessed. The vexations and chagrin which I have suffered, would have killed any other than myself; but God has been merciful and good in endowing me with sufficient strength to sustain the misery which he has allotted me.”

P. 237 –Finally, MH reassures us, “This lady’s confessions, though not free from contradiction, have an air of ingenuousness. Her love of ‘pomp and magnificence; was probably her real character; her indifference and contempt for the world the offspring of disappointment.”

Jane Austen Quotes

I. Persuasion
http://books.google.com/books?id=VY65sMlgyi4C&printsec=frontcover&dq=jane+austen+letters&lr=

A few thoughts: Benwick, as perhaps the most learned character of Persuasion, is the only one to have a real connection of intelligence with Anne.  She is as well read as he, if not better as evidenced by her ability to make so many suggestions for prose, as you will see below.  Could it not be argued that Anne is indeed learned?  But what does this mean exactly, when Benwick is already considered effeminate for his reading.  I think Austen, in opposition to her point that the writing of books have been in the hands of men, is perhaps re-gendering book learning — and learnedness — right here in Persuasion.

P. 143-145 This is when Anne gets stuck talking to Benwick when Captains Wentworth and Harville bring him for a visit.  They end up discussing poetry (Anne is just as fluent in reading, it would seem, as Benwick) and when Anne realizes how much pain his grief has caused him (which is why he so well understands poetry –why does she understand poetry?) she suggests he try some prose.
P. 143/4 – “she was emboldened to go on; and feeling in herself the right of seniority of mind, she ventures to recommend a larger allowance of prose in his daily study; and on being requested to particularize, mentioned such works of our best moralists, suck collections of the finest letter, such memoirs of characters of worth and suffering, as occurred to her at the moment as calculated to rouse and fortify the mind by the highest precepts and the strongest examples of moral and religious endurances.”
P. 144 Anne as Moralist? – “nor could she help fearing, on more serious reflection, that, like many other great moralists and preachers, she had been eloquent to a point in which her own conduct would ill bear examination.”

P. 219 About Nurse Rooke – “She is a shrewd, intelligent, sensible woman.  Hers is a line for seeing human nature; and she has a fund of good sense and observation, which as a companion, make her infinitely superior to thousands of those who, having only received ‘the best education in the world’ know nothing worth attending to.  Call it gossip, if you will, but When Nurse Rooke has half an hour’s leisure to bestow on me, she is sure to have something that makes one know one’s species better.”

P. 210-213 This entire conversation may prove useful as an example of an Austen character thinking for herself and against the grain of those around her.  The characters surrounding Anne are largely preoccupied with rank and station.  While Lady Russel and the Elliots are kissing up to these well to-do Dalrymples, trying to earn back the admission of their relation, Anne is less than impressed.  Further it is Lady Dalrymple’s lack of self possession (her own ideas) that make her unattractive to Anne.

P. 211 — “Anne was ashamed.  Had Lady Dalrymple and her daughter even been very agreeable, she would have still been ashamed of the agitation they created, but they were nothing.  There was no superiority of manner, accomplishment, or understanding.  Lady Dalrymple has acquired the name of ‘a charming woman,’ because she had a smile and a civil answer for everybody.  Miss Carteret, with still less to say, was so plain and so awkward, that she would never have been tolerated at Camden Place but for her birth.”

P. 313 This is a sort of interesting take on the gendering of reading and/or genre.  We have found before that Benwick is unlike his male associates because of his reading, but is it reading itself or is it poetry? Charles Musgrove says to Anne – “and Benwick sits at her elbow, reading verses, or whispering to her all day long…and I hope you do not think me so illiberal as to want every man to have the same objects and pleasures as myself.  I have a great value for Benwick; and when one can but get him to talk he has plenty to say.  His reading has done him no harm, for he has fought as well as read. He is a brave fellow…We had a famous set-to at rat-hunting all the morning in my father’s great barns; and he played his part so well that I have liked him the better ever since.”

P. 332-337 The famous “no examples of books” conversation between Anne and Captain Harville occupies these 5 pages.   They discuss the differences between men and women based on their ability to be constant in love.  They begin both by arguing for their own sex as the one who is more loyal with their longings. 

P. 333 First, Anne comments on the social construction of gendered nature, “WE certainly do not forget you as soon as you forget us.  It is, perhaps, our fate rather than our merit.  We cannot help ourselves.  We live at home, quiet, confined, and our feelings prey upon us.  You are forced to exertion.  You have always a profession, pursuits, business of some sort or other, to take you back into the world immediately, and continual occupation and change soon weaken impressions.”

P.334  In response, Captain Harville attempts to make the argument that Benwick is proof that it is not a matter of acculturation but that it is in nature, indeed, it is physiological (congruous with popular misogynist beliefs of the time), “I believe in a true analogy between our bodily frames and our mental; that as our bodies are the strongest, so are our feelings; capable of bearing most rough usage, and riding out the heaviest weather.”

Anne quickly dispels the logic of this belief, “Your feelings may be the strongest…but the same spirit of analogy will authorize me to assert that ours are the most tender.  Man in more robust than woman, but he is not longer lived; which exactly explains my view of the nature of their attachments.”

They are interrupted by the noise of a falling pen (no doubt an allusion to the pen Austen will soon refer to as the pen in men’s hands, literally now, in the hand of Captain Wentworth). 

P. 335 The lines that literally follow this interruption is Captain Harville’s assertion, “But let me observe all histories are against you – all stories, prose and verse.  If I had such a memory as Benwick, I could bring you fifty quotations in a moment on my side of the argument, and I do not think I ever opened a book in my life which had not something to say upon women’s inconstancy.  Songs and proverbs all talk of woman’s fickleness.  But perhaps you will say, they were all written by men.”

This is exactly how Christine de Pizan begins the City of Ladies and this is exactly why Hays began FB.  But notice the fact that Benwick is said to be the authority on books, (stories, prose, and verse) when it has already been set up for us that Anne is the one who is better read in these categories.  She was the one to tell him what to read of these categories! 

P. 335/6 Then Anne delivers her famous line, which really only continues her point that gender is a product of culture/society rather than nature,  “Yes, yes, if you please, no reference to examples in books.  Men have had every advantage of us in telling their own story.  Education has been theirs in so much higher a degree; the pen has been in their hands.  I will not allow books to prove anything.”

P. 337 Anne continues to explain that neither side shall ever be proved because it is a difference of opinion and does not admit to proof.  There is no real ontological binary of the sexes (gender is constructed) and that makes her absolutely proto feminist. Austen brings it to another level likening herself to Hays and Wollstonecraft when she highlights the fact that men and women are, after all, both human, “I hope I do justice to all that is felt by you, and those who resemble you.  God forbid that I should undervalue the value the warm and faithful feelings of any of my fellow-creatures!”

Pride and Prejudice
http://books.google.com/books?id=vKYBAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA46&dq=do+you+prefer+reading+to+cards#PPP1,M1

P. 44 The petty Bingley sisters remark about Elizabeth having walked so far to attend her bed ridden sister. Their concerns: hair, dress, appearance, juxtaposed with Elizabeth’s loyalty to Jane comments on these gendered concerns.  Elizabeth is celebrated for her independence and fortitude, “To walk three miles, or four miles, or five miles, or whatever it is, above her ankles in dirt, and alone, quite alone!  What could she mean by it?  It seems to me to show an abominable sort of conceited independence, a most country-town indifference to decorum.”

P. 46-48 I believe in this passage Austen is alluding to the complexities of the issues surrounding women and reading.  I think that it is clear Elizabeth does prefer reading to cards.  She chooses to read a book, and then is drawn to a table with more books, instead of playing cards with the others.  When Elizabeth is asked if she prefers reading to cards, Miss Bingley answers for her with antagonism, “Miss Eliza Bennet…despises cards.  She is a great reader and has no pleasure in anything else.”

To be accused of being a great reader is very different from Elizabeth identifying herself as not a reader on her own.  When someone is accused of anything it is only natural defend oneself.  When Elizabeth replies, “I deserve neither such praise nor such censure,” she illustrates how reading for a woman can indeed be considered either or both.

P. 49 Darcy and Elizabeth have their argument about what makes for an accomplished woman.  This time it is Darcy who brings up reading but unlike Miss Bingley, he exalts the woman who reads extensively.  An accomplished woman is one who does more that net purses but makes the concerted effort to improve her mind. 

Later, on P. 68, we find Miss Bingley, since learning Darcy’s opinion of women readers, feigning her own reading while really trying to engage Darcy in conversation. 

P. 204 Elizabeth exercises her bold and independent mind with Lady Catherine who is surprised, if not scandalized, by the freedoms Elizabeth takes, “Upon my word…you give your opinion very decidedly for so young a person.”  … “Lady Catherine seemed quite astonished at not receiving a direct answer; and Elizabeth suspected herself to be the first creature who had ever dared to trifle with so much dignified impertinence.”

Henriette de Bourbon 1627-1693

From her Memoirs “composed at an advanced period of her life”:

“My resolutions are suddenly taken and firmly kept.  I feel so much indifference for some things in the world, so much contempt for others, and entertain so good an opinion of myself, that I would choose rather to pass the remainder of my life in solitude, than impose the least constraint upon my humour, however advantageous it might be to my fortune.”

“I am at all times self possessed.  The vexations and chagrin which I have suffered, would have killed any other than myself; but God has been merciful and good in endowing me with sufficient strength to sustain the misery which he has allotted me.”

Mary Wollstonecraft

From The Rights of Woman

Like Roland MW says, “public spirit must be nurtured by private virtue…a sentiment that often exists unsupported by virtue, unsupported by that blind morality which makes the habitual breach of one duty a breach of the whole moral law.”

Jane Austen and the Learned Lady

re: But why are there no actual learned ladies in JA?

this is something I have been thinking a lot about today and it is something definitely in need of address…

MH includes women both without text and without story.  she will have a small paragraph simply listing the many languages a women spoke or how well read a man her in her life believed her to be.  this is obviously not the FB that JA responds to…and neither does it need to be.

My hunch is that JA doesn’t include book-learned ladies because 1. book-learning does not a learned lady make, and 2. she doesn’t really need to because she is a learned lady herself.  JA is her own proof that learning, thinking, philosophizing is not contingent upon knowing the “learned” languages.  one has to remember to stay out of the masculinist “learned” paradigm to really understand JA’s (and at times MH’s) city…

Mme. Roland

to suspect that there are two sorts of reason; one for the closet, another for the world; a morality of principle, and a morality of practise; from the contradiction of which resulted many absurdities which did not escape my observation. In short, it appeared to me, that persons of the gay world call everone insane who is not affected with the common madness. Thus did materials for reflection gradually accumulate in my active brain.

Jane Austen’s and Mary Hays’s Cities of Ladies

I think I am on to something pithy.

In my ideas right now it is all about JA’s keen understanding of the gendering of knowledge and the misogynistic contamination of all things bookish, learned, well read.

Her heroines are wise, intelligent, clever, they think for themselves — often in opposition to the way others want them to think/behave — but this independence/intelligence/wisdom is not attained by books but rather the trust in one’s own instinct and authority. This is Enheduanna’s “I” and Heloise’s “I’d rather be a whore than a wife”etc.

JA was so aware of the difference between gendered epistemologies, the feminism is not in the Learned Ladies, it is in the women who think for themselves no matter what tradition, church, fathers, mothers, suitors, society want them to think. Through this I think she addresses that difficult issue of women trained in masculine ideas. What is a woman who has been trained to think/know like a man? What does a woman know without the contamination of men’s ideas?

I am now turning to FB. I am asking the text how these women attain their knowledge. How do they come to know what they know? How do they find the authority to know?

Perhaps MH is even handed — abandons her Dissent politics — in FB because she senses this dilemma of women taking up men’s ways of knowing (like politics) and how this interferes with a truly female epistemological authority. The community may simply be women who think for themselves. Women who have dared to know what they know! I don’t think it;s necessarily about being learned. It’s certainly not just about reading books. It’s about taking what you learn and turning that into some kind of truth for yourself, through yourself.

 

what is the realm of female values? what is a female value and how is it attained and how is it different from a male value? are women born with female values? they can certainly be trained against them (as we conjecture from, for example, political feminism). so what are the mechanics of all this and how does FB illustrate those mechanics? it can’t just be, look, women were educated and producing texts too. it has to show how the epistemological underpinnings of these texts are different. JA asserts proof of this difference with Persuasion (Anne and the “no books” passage.) And so there must be something ontologically different about JA’s texts that can limn this difference too. how does FB teach her how to do this? how does FB show her there IS a difference?

 

 

FB is indeed a city of ladies. And it could be this city from which JA plucks her heroines as well as her “dragons”. But also, I am interested in taking a look at this moral knowledge. What are morals? Using this word is tough because I feel like it has already been gendered feminine in a negative way. Like, mothers as the domestic, moral, educators or something…and of course, not all women’s inner truths are the same.

I would love to see the idea of morals — as they are discussed either explicitly or implicitly by MH and JA — complicated. What does it it mean, both in these women’s texts but in our lives as well, to live/think/behave morally? There is something here that seems important to note about this gendering of moral knowledge that is very positive. We see women over and over again take the risks that Fanny does to determine their own lives against tremendous forces against them (Jeanne D’Arc!). How can we RE-gender moral knowledge in a way that doesn’t stick us back in the kitchen with a baby boy on the tit learning how to share with brother and sister…

 

Jane Austen and Mary Hays

I’m through Persuasion, Sense, Pride, and Emma.

So far I think Austen’s take on Learned women is more complex than having an explicitly learned character — especially in Persuasion where I think she plays with the idea of what constitutes learning/education/knowledge/genres.

In Pride, Sense, and Emma, education, especially in the form of reading — being well read, an active reader — is important but usually in context of seeming an attractive choice for a wife. Education is largely just a criteria for a good marriage, not something that allows one to think for oneself — although many of her heroines do just that — but not because they learned how to from books.

 

the thing is, if all that book training provides a woman is a history of their own inconstancies then I imagine Austen had a sense that reading culture wasn’t the best place for her heroines. So far they each argue somewhat against being considered too much as women readers etc. Reading, as it is argued for by the men, is for the making of sensible wives instead of silly ones. Reading is almost an imposition put on women — by men or established polite society — so that they are well behaved in marriage. It seems like through reading women are taught how to behave, to obey, to be quiet, frugal not silly/frivolous/extravagant/

improprietous. But then too much reading, of course, can have the opposite effect the way it does for Mary Crawford.

So what, in Austen, are positive attributes of women? What makes them clever, good conversationalists, different from the women who are portrayed as really inconstant, or tacky, materialistic, unfaithful? Austen’s heroines think strongly for themselves, but not because they are self possessed through book learning…what is the cultural/intellectual heritage/history of the Austen heroine? Perhaps there will be connections between the attributes found in FB and the attributes of Anne or Emma or Eliza.

What is for sure is that Austen rejects the masculine monopoly of codified knowledge through books — it is clear how book learning has been used against her sex. But where is the alternative hiding in her pages? I think there could be something here that will point towards a feminine gendered education/intellectual history…what we are searching for are characteristics of a women’s cognitive training that exist outside the masculinist paradigm of history of ideas.

 

what are the differences we can begin to identify between gendered ways of knowing, i.e. autodidacts vs. women trained by men vs. women who create knowledge totally outside of traditional textualities (perhaps like Penelope)? I think Austen may be asking just this.

 

I haven’t really delved into Mary Hays’s Female Biography yet so I am eager to see what kinds of attributes she exalts and then figure out how those attributes are acquired. If there is a connection between any of these and JA’s heroines then I am on to something. But there is also the connection between JA and MH simply in the nature of their projects — and this is the Christine de Pizan connection. JA’s oeuvre could be considered her City, just like FB etc.

homer and history

the beginning of the category of history — the meeting of Odysseus and the bard Demodocus. D. tells the the story of the fall of Troy for O. who is a guest of the Pheaecians. the singing bards tell the history as it has been witnessed by the Muses. they are illiterate so knowledge is transmitted orally.

but what of Penelope? if Laertes’ shroud is a story cloth, she is creating archival text centuries before the adoption of writing and even longer before Herodotus comes up with Historie. she is literate before Greek literacy and is ostensibly telling history as she witnesses it, not as the Muses have told her it happened. what is in Penelope’s story cloth?  what does she say, record, that is forgotten by the time of Homer?

penelope and history

i think i am really circulating around some interesting issues about history, time, story telling, philosophies of theologies and histories. Penelope is in the middle of it all!

I am reading about the bard Demodocus (the one who retold the story of the Trojan war to Odysseus). He is blind but has recounted things as if her were there — inspired by the muses, who are divine and so were there. he is the first western historian and he tells the story of the war. but then there is Penelope, all the while, weaving stories into the shroud. she is a historian too — a weaver of texts — writing even earlier than Homer! and she, in a way, is absolutely literate! she is pre-literate. weaving/recording before a greek written language is even invented!!!

who is her muse? where is the vast theological/cultural infrastructure supporting her project? her epic? hers is an epic before even Homer’s! how/why does it get lost? how/why does the oral traditions of the bards supersede the textual productions of women like Penelope?

remember, the world we know of hers is lost, all we know is a little about the world that made it to Homer (sometime between the 8th and some even conjecture 2nd/3rd centuries BCE). If Homer got it wrong others did before him — after all, they didn’t know how to read! and since then the texts left by Homer etc have turned into the origins of a hemisphere — not just a story about some Greeks.